"Even most church people" Jesus Politics
I like the blog, Jesus Politics. It is a compilation of links to stories or commentary about christian politics. The variety is impressive. The commentary is also interesting. I've written too much on the following: A story about the Rev. dear and his plea for non-violence. There were lots of comments. Most all related to my posts were critical. Mostly, my argument was convoluted and based on the bad idea that Jesus and Socrates were engaged in an argument. There was also some confusion about what I wanted to say about violence. Some thought I advocated violence as a force for justice.
I wanted to save my responses here. The quite good discussion, i.e., the other side of the story can be found on Jesus politics.
The piece started with a quote from the rev. John Dear, who wrote:
Rev. John Dear writes:
I reject violence and espouse only nonviolence, but I know that most Americans support, even relish violence, anything for “God and country,” they say. If people really believe in violence and justified warfare, then why should they be upset when individuals, or hundreds, or thousands, or maybe someday millions of people turn against the United States, England, or other first world nations in acts of terrorism? What do they expect when we have shown only hostility to the world’s poor, when we have practiced genocide against people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Darfur, Haiti, and elsewhere? Why are people who espouse violence--including most Americans, most TV commentators, most government officials, even most church people--so upset about these terrorist attacks, when they themselves support terrorism upon sisters and brothers elsewhere on the planet?
I do not understand our love of violence. If you want other people to be nonviolent, you first have to be nonviolent. If you want to remove the speck from someone else’s eye, you have to remove the two by four from your own head. If you want other nations to hold you in high regard, you first have to hold other nations in high regard, and treat every human being on the planet as a sister and brother. As someone once said, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” That is the answer to the nightmare of terrorism.
How do we stop terrorism? Renounce every trace of violence in your heart and your life. Adopt the wisdom and practice of active nonviolence, as Gandhi and Dr. King taught. Beg the God of peace for the gift of peace. Join your local peace and justice group. Stand up publicly for an end to war. Let your life be disrupted, and take a new, nonviolent risk for disarmament.
The posts on Jesus Politics usually begin with a quote from an interesting article found somewhere on the web. There's a section quoted. This was the piece we found. In another part of the piece by Dear I found he also said,
For me, then the question, “How to Stop Terrorism?” is easy. We stop terrorism first of all by stopping our own terrorism! We cannot fight terrorism by becoming terrorists. We cannot end terrorism by using the methods of terrorism to bomb and kill Iraqis, to occupy Iraq, to support the terrorist occupation of the Palestinians, and to hold the world hostage with our nuclear weapons. We must bring the troops home from Iraq, fund nonviolent democratic peacemakers in Iraq, send food and medicine to Iraq, support United Nations’ nonviolent peacemaking solutions, end world hunger immediately, cut all U.S. military aid everywhere, dismantle every one of our nuclear weapons, fund jobs, education and healthcare at home and abroad, clean up the environment and teach nonviolence to everyone around the world, beginning at home in every U.S. classroom.
This piece suggests that he too was interested in some of the concerns I had originally wanted to bring up. For example, he would likely say it would not be just or right to deal with the bombings here by going off invading another country, the majority of who's people had nothing to do with what happened to us. In my original arguments I wanted to make sure such points were made in addition to the advocation of non-violence.
So, my first comment, here: